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2013-03-16 04:24:55 - Widdie [Crops4$] - Moderation and mods

You all know the rules. For the last while, there have been little moderation and changes to mutes, but it has been changing. Just a few guidelines so you all will know what to expect.

1. Messages
We do not moderate messages. If someone go nuts at you in messages, use your ignore list, it is what it is there for.
2. Wiki's
Wiki's are the personal property of the player. We do not moderate those save for trolling, or in special circumstances. If things get seriously out of hand, message us and we will take it up with Msk
3. Trolling the bot (harrassing the bot)
Harassing the bot and trying to get muted will not be accepted. When the bot gets angry, he mutes for almost anything and the mutes get out of hand. If you troll the bot in chat, expect your mute time to be increased if we think you got off lightly. We're pretty serious about keeping modbot calm. this include tricking people into coloured taco's and mentioning things that you know the bot doesn't like and swearing in chat to see what type of mute times are handed out. We will routinely check guild chat in order to enforce this rule.
4. Harassing people in chat
Harrassment in chat will for sure earn you a mute. If you suspect someone to be a multi, message moderator. If someone annoys you, add them on ignore. Trolling anyone (including trolls) will earn you a mute. This includes unprovoked attacks on something someone said or posting stuff in chat just to get people to harass you. If you post stuff provoking attacks, you will be muted with the guilty parties that take the bait.
5. Reviewing mutes
Mutes will be reviewed if requested. If you have earned the mute, do not expect it to be adjusted because you know a mod. A moderator may be your friend in game, but as a moderator, s/he is supposed to do their work. We keep each other honest and a earned mute is yours to work off.
Also, mutes maybe reviewed without requesting a review, if deemed necessary.
6. Bypassing the rules
Chatting for someone that is muted in chat, excluding auctions or advertising, will get you muted as well. Sending messages on behalf of someone on an iggy list or harrassing with excessive shop purchases, trades, holiday mail or any other way is also unacceptable behaviour. Casting spells on someone (driveby casting) is part of the game, deal with it.
7. If you are unsure if a link is appropriate, you can send the link to modinator, you will shortly after recieve a message back with any inappropriate language flagged.
Just because links are not flagged by the does not automatically mean they will not recieve a warning / mute if the content is inappropriate. (mainly pictures).

Keep it friendly and enjoy the game. Remember its just a game. Have fun.

Last Edited: 2013-08-14 04:38:22

2013-03-16 04:50:04 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

I see lots of mutes in my future...

2013-03-16 10:44:36 - Slomo [Home] - Re: Moderation and mods

its mostly just to refresh people's memory

2013-03-16 10:49:01 - Ahnaf [TAOM] - Re: Moderation and mods

I would continue trolling the mod bot, as I am sick and tired of being muted over links a human would know is perfectly fine and doesn't contain any stuff that SHOULD be mutable in the first place.

Getting muted over inappropriate stuff, well that's a different thing.

Also no, I am not whining, its actually entertaining to troll the bot, expect more of it for all I care.

Regards,
Ahnaf





2013-03-16 10:49:13 - ebil [Bubble] - Re: Moderation and mods

modbot i thought that was just a rumor? always thought it was a woman that was just on a serious binge

2013-03-16 10:50:25 - chad [Alive!] - Re: Moderation and mods

people having your attitude and messing with the bot is exactly why its messed up.


regards,
chad

2013-03-16 10:51:34 - Lemon [Bubble] - Re: Moderation and mods

Ahnaf: If you send your link in a message to Modinator it will tell you whether it will mute you, should you choose to post it in global.

2013-03-16 10:55:44 - No one [*Mist*] - Re: Moderation and mods

Those are some pretty strong guidelines. Three Cheers and a Hooray for the New Age Moderators!!. .



2013-03-16 10:56:07 - ebil [Bubble] - Re: Moderation and mods

as a note it would be nice to see many mods more active or add current players that are extremely active to the list..not plugging myself i would be a bad one but the players know who is very active and maybe having at least 2 or so on at all times would solve many problems

2013-03-16 10:59:15 - Varience [Sane?] - Re: Moderation and mods

Mods? What mods? Last I heard they all went on vacation with Mskwik and haven't returned... consciously, anyways.

2013-03-16 13:48:41 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

How are we supposed to take #3 seriously when the bot obviously has no feelings?
What are the parameters for trolling? It seems if I were to tell towelie nobody likes towels, obviously joking with him, that that would be grounds for a mute even though obviously meant in jest.

2013-03-16 13:53:01 - Lemon [Bubble] - Re: Moderation and mods

I reckon that "trolling the bot" really means "baiting the bot" - i.e. pushing it to it's limits to see what it might mute you for, or deliberately getting mutes from it, which in turn will lead to it muting other people for longer.

2013-03-16 13:58:30 - Moderator [Admin] - Re: Moderation and mods

Both trolling the bot, and other people would fall under the rule:
chat rules, 3:

Harassment
Harassing any player for any reason is not allowed. Harassment is anything which is done with the intent of annoying a specific person. It can include, but is not necessarily limited to, name calling, threats, repeated rudeness, displaying personal information, attempts to get personal information, begging for money or items, repeating another player's words, making false statements about another player, or anything repeated a number of times after being asked to stop. This also includes harassment of moderators or staff members, arguing about a punishment in public or repeatedly calling for someone else to be muted. Things like jokes are okay if they stay within the other rules, but if someone objects or you go too far you will be warned. If you continue after a warning other actions will be taken.

2013-03-16 14:00:01 - Morpheus [Solar] - Re: Moderation and mods

That a way that mod can muted whos don't like, as it make Widdie with Protect Me yesterday, a mute without any reason.
I don't defended Protect Me, I never talk with he/she, but that was a good example....
Last Edited: Sat Mar 16 14:01:28 2013

2013-03-16 14:05:25 - Widdie [Crops4$] - Re: Moderation and mods

Lol, no that wasn't. The bot muted PM and I reduced the mute after speaking to them. I do not let feelings get in the way of good moderation. I have muted good friends on here as well as refused to reduce mute timers. I have seen other mods do the same. When you moderate, personal feelings should never get in the way of things.

2013-03-16 14:12:33 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

Pretty much only polite chat will be tolerated. Sounds nice in theory but at the end of the day your are left with just emotes and emote lovins going on in chat. Sounds like a boring place to me. So from the tone of things this will be the most drastic overhaul of rules enforcement since I joined the game. I mean look at my signature that is obviously trolling alaren, is that now against the rules? Should I remove it?


















2013-03-16 14:14:25 - Morpheus [Solar] - Re: Moderation and mods

I'm sorry if I understand it wrong, but that looking so when I read world chat

but in many others game, trolling allowed Mods to muted/banned who they don't like and they do that

2013-03-16 14:14:36 - Alicia [TEAM] - Re: Moderation and mods

No offense but #6..

6. Bypassing the rules
Chatting for someone that is muted in chat, excluding auctions or advertising, will get you muted as well. Sending messages on behalf of someone on an iggy list or harrassing with excessive shop purchases, trades, holiday mail or any other way is also unacceptable behaviour.

There should be a common sense clause to this.. if a player is muted and actually needed to ask an important question of chat, such as a "how do I do this" type thing, it should be perfectly acceptable. Of if muted player is waiting for an invite or something and another player posts that ... or course now if another player is posting lines of profanity then yes that deserves a mute for one or both players.

Next issue ... excessive shop purchaceses - well that is just a silly one because the guild who is getting spamed by too many sales should just be thankful their stuff is selling and they are making money. Honestly, we love spam here at TEAM - it shows productivity, buy or sell as much as you can, same with out blackjack tables

Oh and someone mentioned all the muting of Protect Me the past few days (none of my business and do what ya gotta do, but) I was starting to feel like I was in a daycare .. is there anyways to do it without the blue text or make it so that blue text stays only in world chat ???

2013-03-16 14:20:16 - Discordia - Re: Moderation and mods

My only issue is Widdie when your in chat warning players use the mod function to do this, not everyone knows your a mod and warnings performed with out the mod tag shouldn't be honored as warnings leading up to a mute.


2013-03-16 14:35:00 - Widdie [Crops4$] - Re: Moderation and mods

Noted. And Ons, we have common sence. Dont want to run a kindergarden. No problem with jokes etc, but going after someone to make them angry or making chat uncomfortable, is what we are trying to stop. As long as both parties are having fun, all is well.

2013-03-16 14:37:59 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

So making chat awkward for a few moments is punishable?

2013-03-16 14:42:19 - spacecookie [PWI] - Re: Moderation and mods

i thought mutes were for auction spam !!
you can get muted for chatting ?


how does 1 do this ?


2013-03-16 14:48:34 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

Let me just say this about transparency. The moderation staff has nothing to loose be bringing some of these punishments and other issues to the open for discussion. It is obvious when someone is off their rocker and they need a time out to cool off. If its in the rules you cannot discuss them, than those rules need to be changed.

2013-03-16 16:05:22 - Judas Goat [Ronin] - Re: Moderation and mods

Well I see the old rules are still in effect.

1. Moderators can ignore the rules.

2. Moderators can make new rules.

3. Don't complain about moderation or get muted.

What isn't said is what "can" get you muted. My parents told me what words were forbidden. What is the list of forbidden words? (Fairly certain there is a list with weights attached as it appears to be a table driven system.) Define what triggers a "chat out of control" condition. Explain How sensitive the bot is to being pushed. Remember that it is human nature to push back when someone feels abused or wronged. Know right now that "any" mute over 10k is infuriating and causes rage. Personally, I don't care if any of the mods have had to serve times over that length as they are supposed to be above that. Past history here has shown that they are not and this does not as yet apply to current mods but has happenned and is why we have a bot.

Also know that the bot was sold as being dirctly related to your history This is flat out not true. All it takes is one genius to drop the f-bomb 10 or more times in a single sentence to cause the bot to go wacky and everyone gets treated like they dropped the F-bomb with longer mutes for at least 30 minutes. At one time you could see this happening as mute times used to be posted, but few knew why they kept increasing for minor infractions.

One day I will get an explanation of what trolling truly is. My feeling is that if you try to guide someone onto a correct path you can be trolling. If you are sarcastic, are you trolling? If both of these are true, then there is precious little reason to enter World Chat for me.

Using iggy is poor judgement. If you truly pay attention to Movoda then you can''t cut out the people that annoy you. That just allows them to win. Simply say "Stop it please." If they do not then it is a Mod's job to stop it. Don't try to sidestep the nasty parts because you want someone to blind or deafen themselves so you won't have to do something or be the "bad guy".

I don't know why I care about this. Not sure why I stayed here when I came back to leave. I do know why I am building a guild, but this thread has just stirred up so many bad memories that I don't know if I will keep it. Darn shame. Been here since December 2006. Seen a lot of the changes including the introduction of the bot.

I give the current mods credit for caring enough.

Chat rules ought to be simple. If you won't say it in your grandmother's house don't say it here. If you don't want it said in fornt of your child or younger sibling, don't say it here. Doesn't seem that difficult to me.

"Be excellent to each other." - Bill and Ted

2013-03-16 16:06:52 - Hera - Re: Moderation and mods

Awkward silences

2013-03-17 00:09:39 - Barraiya [*NI*] - Re: Moderation and mods

Chat rules ought to be simple. If you won't say it in your grandmother's house don't say it here. If you don't want it said in front of your child or younger sibling, don't say it here. Doesn't seem that difficult to me.

Using iggy is poor judgement. If you truly pay attention to Movoda then you can''t cut out the people that annoy you. That just allows them to win. Simply say "Stop it please." If they do not then it is a Mod's job to stop it. Don't try to sidestep the nasty parts because you want someone to blind or deafen themselves so you won't have to do something or be the "bad guy".

I give the current mods credit for caring enough.

Let me just say this about transparency. The moderation staff has nothing to loose by bringing some of these punishments and other issues to the open for discussion. It is obvious when someone is off their rocker and they need a time out to cool off. If its in the rules you cannot discuss them, than those rules need to be changed.

Amen.. Nice statements.



2013-03-17 00:10:20 - Rainbow Dash [Biased] - Re: Moderation and mods

well said judas, +1

2013-03-17 05:17:46 - DamaraMan - Re: Moderation and mods

I think it's a good start and lets face it, if we don't break the rules then we won't be muted.


2013-03-17 07:29:50 - Cajun [~,~] - Re: Moderation and mods

My first mute came a few weeks ago. I posted a video from YouTube and somewhere along the line somebody ELSE had posted an unacceptable word to YouTube for the video. No warning. Muted.

The video itself was easily accessed and contained no content that would have caused the mute. THAT video is what I posted, but I was held accountable for some other jerks post. Clarity on that issue does not exist in the rules, so I challenged the mute to no response whatsoever.

I believe this point could be highlighted somehow in the rules. Also, using videos to bring a smile or make a point is frequently used by me. Provide directions as to how to post those videos without some jerk causing a mute for a player with no history of bad behavior.

2013-03-17 07:37:24 - Lemon [Bubble] - Re: Moderation and mods

"Provide directions as to how to post those videos without some jerk causing a mute for a player with no history of bad behavior."


If you post a link to youtube in popup mode there are no offensive comments.
To do this, add "_popup" in the link between "watch" and the question mark.



2013-03-17 07:48:38 - Cajun [~,~] - Re: Moderation and mods

Ok. I appreciate the information Lemon. I'll give it a try.

Thanks

2013-03-18 13:16:37 - protect me [Akatsuki] - Re: Moderation and mods

sounds completely legit

well said Judas
Last Edited: Mon Mar 18 13:22:18 2013

2013-03-18 13:19:09 - Slomo [Home] - Re: Moderation and mods

and it is legit because lemon is right or left?

2013-04-15 05:58:20 - Widdie [Crops4$] - Re: Moderation and mods

3. Trolling the bot
Trolling the bot will not be accepted. When the bot gets angry, he mutes for almost anything and the mutes get out of hand. If you troll the bot in chat, expect your mute time to be increased if we think you got off lightly. We're pretty serious about keeping modbot calm. this include tricking people into coloured taco's and mentioning things that you know the bot doesn't like and swearing in chat to see what type of mute times are handed out.

Just making this rule very clear. If you troll the bot and one of us see you, you will be muted. If you get muted for it, it is going to be long for a first offence and very very long if we catch you again. It will not help complaining once you are muted. We do not want to set the bot off, it does crazy things when it gets angry.



2013-04-15 06:01:19 - DamaraMan - Re: Moderation and mods

Well said Widdie Seems plain and simple to me, don't stir up the bot and you won't get muted.

2013-04-15 08:30:02 - quiet_riot - Re: Moderation and mods

Good job, Widdie, especially regarding trolling.

2013-04-16 01:29:53 - Widdie [Crops4$] - Re: Moderation and mods

I live to serve




2013-04-16 01:37:53 - Scruffy [YTB] - Re: Moderation and mods

hey widdie can you make me a sandiwch?

2013-04-16 02:03:27 - Mirabeau [CoM] - Re: Moderation and mods

plus a cold beer

2013-04-16 02:48:17 - Widdie [Crops4$] - Re: Moderation and mods

Sandwich and a beer coming up. Ons, you're Pibird's problem

2013-04-16 02:50:05 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods



2013-04-16 02:53:18 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

You will not do anything to stop my reign of terror?

2013-04-16 02:55:04 - Widdie [Crops4$] - Re: Moderation and mods

Do I need to? Think Pibird doesn't have you in hand properly?

2013-04-16 17:40:34 - Greyshell [Home] - Re: Moderation and mods

Yes he is whipped.

2013-04-16 20:06:25 - Meggie [Bubble] - Re: Moderation and mods

^ +1

2013-05-12 23:40:52 - Rainbow Dash [Biased] - Re: Moderation and mods

bump

2013-05-12 23:42:10 - Moderator [Admin] - Re: Moderation and mods

To make the foggy rules a bit clearer for those that fail to get it:
3. Trolling the bot
Trolling the bot will not be accepted. When the bot gets angry, he mutes for almost anything and the mutes get out of hand. If you troll the bot in chat, expect your mute time to be increased if we think you got off lightly. We're pretty serious about keeping modbot calm. this include tricking people into coloured taco's and mentioning things that you know the bot doesn't like and swearing in chat to see what type of mute times are handed out.
IE: If you troll the bot, the moderators will mute you. For very very long. clear enough?

2013-05-12 23:43:37 - Discordia - Re: Moderation and mods

Can you update the manual page "Rules" to include this newly added rules, its really where this info should be.. please?

2013-05-12 23:51:11 - Elsa - Re: Moderation and mods

i have trolled the bot years ago and got muted for a good while and when i seen it tonight i didnt know what it meant till i read this forum then i was like o yea that explains it and remembered how i did it when i first started this game. so yea they mean it when they say you will get muted for a very very long time

2013-05-13 00:50:39 - Moderator [Admin] - Re: Moderation and mods

Rules updated to include trolling.

2013-05-13 09:52:51 - spacecookie [PWI] - Re: Moderation and mods

the reason police are needed is the rules arent being followed !
moderator = movo police



2013-05-14 06:06:27 - BK [Broots] - Re: Moderation and mods

I almost peed my pants reading rule number 3


2013-08-03 15:53:58 - Barraiya [*NI*] - Re: Moderation and mods

Moderator [Admin]
2013-05-12 23:42:10
Re: Moderation and mods

"IE: If you troll the bot, the moderators will mute you. For very very long. clear enough? "

What did I do?
I'm innocent I tells ya...

Make way, dead man walking.

2013-08-03 15:57:42 - Slomo [Home] - Re: Moderation and mods

just dont troll the bots its just a piece of code


2013-08-03 16:01:10 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

I saw a whole group of people spamming the bots feelings, or whatever you want to call it, yet only one of them got muted.

2013-08-03 16:01:59 - Slomo [Home] - Re: Moderation and mods

i remember half this guild being muted over it

2013-08-03 16:03:44 - Onslaught [Blue] - Re: Moderation and mods

If the bot cannot control himself maybe he needs a timeout?

2013-08-13 14:01:37 - Jerrubaal [CoPM] - Re: Moderation and mods

This was quite the interesting read. I'm always up for more clarification of the rules but for me, I leave world chat off most of the time so it doesn't really apply to me.

I do sometimes appreciate mutes going global (even to people with world off) because it gives me a reason to pull up the history and see what someone was muted for. Would be boring without that feature.

When I see a "xxx has been muted for xxx" it gives me a reason to pull up chat.

2013-08-13 14:03:51 - Towelie [WHaT!?] - Re: Moderation and mods

pretty sure most moderation here is Bias anyway.. not sure there was any point to this post

2013-08-13 14:05:44 - Moderator [Admin] - Re: Moderation and mods

Careful, Buckets.
This also applies to mods or any staff members, questioning the actions of a mod in public chat or calling for the mute of another player can all be considered harassment.
http://movoda.net/man/rules
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 14:07:51

2013-08-13 14:07:14 - Barraiya [*NI*] - Re: Moderation and mods

It's Careful, not carefull





2013-08-13 14:08:35 - Jerrubaal [CoPM] - Re: Moderation and mods

Pretty sure that enforcement of any rules/laws anywhere is biased. It better be anyway. Not all "bias" is bad. Sometimes circumstances beyond the infraction do impact punishment, for worse or for better.

If I kill someone, I will probably get life.
If I post a video killing someone, depending on my state, I might get worse.
If I kill someone, accidentally, I might get 20 years.
If I am an upstanding member of the community - that could effect the sentence as well.
If I am a known trouble-maker, that could also.
If I am a senator's kid, that will most definitely effect it.

The end result is someone's dead. The circumstances impact the punishment. "Bias" is not always a bad thing.

2013-08-13 14:12:14 - Towelie [WHaT!?] - Re: Moderation and mods

ok lets use another word.. discrimination.


2013-08-13 14:14:09 - Barraiya [*NI*] - Re: Moderation and mods

it's not discrimination, it's This criminal nation.

Now stop trying to sound gangsta.

2013-08-13 14:14:48 - Towelie [WHaT!?] - Re: Moderation and mods

lol IE

2013-08-13 14:25:40 - protect me [Akatsuki] - Re: Moderation and mods

If I kill someone, I will probably get life. <- most definitely I would agree
If I post a video killing someone, depending on my state, I might get worse. <-only if it gets tracked back to your personal server
If I kill someone, accidentally, I might get 20 years. <- especially if you have a public pretender
If I am an upstanding member of the community - that could effect the sentence as well. <- yeah they say get a good lawyer and name a building in someones name and let you off with community time
If I am a known trouble-maker, that could also. <- trouble-maker ie you protest the bias or you do a sit in or you do not let anyone walk over your civil rights or you are a law breaker normally definitely your going down
If I am a senator's kid, that will most definitely effect it. <- got to either be made and example of or you get off scott free and someone else is paid to take the fall

I have the right to be taken seriously and the responsibility
to listen to others

I have the right to be loved and protected from harm and the responsibility to show love and caring to others

I have the right to be proud of their heritage and beliefs and the responsibility to respect the origins and beliefs of others

I have the right to make mistakes and the responsibility to learn from those mistakes

Everyone has the right to have:
safety
education
home/shelter (somewhere to live)
warmth
food
clothing
personal space
freedom of speech
to be different
to feel comfortable
equal opportunities (given the chance to be what you want to be whether you are rich or poor, whatever religion or race).

Some of our responsibilities
to follow the rules at home, at school and in the community - after all they are there for our safety and to protect our rights and the rights of others
conflict to stand up for our rights and the rights of others as much as we can
to be the best person that we can be
to take care of our own bodies as best we can
to respect the rights of others
to look after our own belongings and respect the belongings of others
to learn as well as we can
to care about others who are not as strong in some ways as we are.

2013-08-13 18:29:56 - Towelie [WHaT!?] - Re: Moderation and mods

lol.. great work

eg in world chat. Rules should be the same for all.

2013-08-13 18:31:05 - Rainbow Dash [Biased] - Re: Moderation and mods

agreed with buckets- yesterday was NO exception
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 18:40:03

2013-08-13 18:38:18 - 3x0du5 [Home] - Re: Moderation and mods

Both questioning the mods actions in public and calling for the mutes of other players are muteable offences... maybe you should heed your own advice you like to spew on others YW.
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 18:39:04

2013-08-13 18:40:15 - Rainbow Dash [Biased] - Re: Moderation and mods

there, is that better? please enjoy your game

2013-08-13 18:40:54 - Towelie [WHaT!?] - Re: Moderation and mods

maybe we should join home guild.. then we 2 can get preferable treatment?

2013-08-13 18:42:36 - 3x0du5 [Home] - Re: Moderation and mods

For those interested in joining Home guild please message Onslaught, he will be awaiting your message with eager anticipation.

2013-08-13 18:44:44 - Towelie [WHaT!?] - Re: Moderation and mods

obviously Aikon.. but that leads back to my first few comments.. discrimination... shouldnt be accepted really.

If we all listened to authority and didnt challenge the rules every now and then.. the world would be a pretty strange place. I am pretty sure women would still not even be able to vote etc if people did not speak up against discrimination.

2013-08-13 18:45:45 - Alpha [Dark] - Re: Moderation and mods

Women can vote Who let them out of kitchen

2013-08-13 18:45:46 - Zweitschlag [DARKER] - Re: Moderation and mods

Yeah broads should be able to vote.

2013-08-13 18:46:25 - SuperJew - Re: Moderation and mods

Next you're going to tell me a black man is President.

2013-08-13 18:46:59 - branwen - Re: Moderation and mods

I can vote? When did that happen?

2013-08-13 18:47:42 - Alpha [Dark] - Re: Moderation and mods

it didn't, back to kitchen

2013-08-14 04:27:00 - Moderator [Admin] - Re: Moderation and mods

Please note that if you taunt the bot, encourage others to do so in guild chat or world chat, try to get muted or mess around with modbot to try to get others muted, a standard mute of 6000 minutes will be given.
Encouraging others in guild chat to get muted or telling people to try different things in guild chat to see the response from modbot will earn you the same.
The fact that you are talking in guild chat will not save you. Doing the above will earn you the mute, irrespective of the fact that you have been talking in guild or in world.
Do not taunt the bot, try to get reaction from it or cause others to get muted.
We do not routinely check guild chat, only if there is a need.
Moderator
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 04:36:47