Nov 18th 2009
synopsis as follows:
19:40:07 mskwik[Admin]: I'm currently working on the guild stuff panel in NI
19:40:22 mskwik[Admin]: thinking it might be easier to use separated into panels like the new message window
19:40:25 mskwik[Admin]: any thoughts?
19:40:50 Alucard[Yarr]: I like it msk, can you do that qith equipment too?
19:41:57 mskwik[Admin]: that could be problematic, with equipment it seems best to make sure one task is stopped before making changes
19:42:39 mskwik[Admin]: you'll notice you can click equipment stuff on the town screen though and it gives the option to wear it as well as drop
19:44:04 mskwik[Admin]: the plan is to have the guild stuff stay updated by itself, so if you want you can leave it open off to the side and keep an eye on who is signed on or such
19:45:11 mskwik[Admin]: messages should work that way as well, but for now just if the sender is on the NI as well
19:45:09 Caledonia[
Lof L?]: when does the old index die?
19:46:30 mskwik[Admin]: when things seem to be working well the index.html will probably be pointed to the new index and you'll need to use an indexold.html for the old one
19:47:03 mskwik[Admin]: eventually when everything has been working on the new one long enough something new will be implemented that breaks the old one completely
19:47:24 maximus[...]: i dont combat on NI because of the rumor of strange damages happening
19:48:43 mskwik[Admin]: as near as i've been able to track down any issues with equipment/stats at this point has been people switching back and forth or stuff cast on OI
19:49:26 mskwik[Admin]: the way it works is it basically starts your own private server when you start using NI
19:50:17 mskwik[Admin]: that server pulls your info from the DB then and keeps it updated, and talks with other people's NI servers to pass stuff like spell casts around
19:50:17 mskwik[Admin]: that server pulls your info from the DB then and keeps it updated, and talks with other people's NI servers to pass stuff like spell casts around
19:51:37 Veilsound[7Sins]: i find that vessi and spells don't transfer from old to new
19:52:30 mskwik[Admin]: things happening between people both on the NI should work
19:52:30 mskwik[Admin]: things happening between people both on the NI should work
19:53:29 mskwik[Admin]: from the old to the new is more questionable, and not really something i'm worrying about since the old is due to disappear eventually
19:53:29 mskwik[Admin]: from the old to the new is more questionable, and not really something i'm worrying about since the old is due to disappear eventually
19:55:39 maximus[...]: anyways, mskwik, one of my guild members are muted for over 5mil minutes, a few other players in movoda are muted for that long also, what are your views on that high of mute?
19:56:40 mskwik[Admin]: if the first dozen warnings about chat behavior don't get the message across I don't see why they should be allowed back in world chat
19:59:12 mskwik[Admin]: some people just don't seem to understand how to behave in a public chat, no reason the rest of you should have to continue dealing with them
20:03:17 mskwik[Admin]: the new mod stuff has more bits that are accessible outside the mod interface
20:03:34 mskwik[Admin]: might be possible to check your own record or such more than now
20:04:07 mskwik[Admin]: it's not active yet because when that switches the mutes will stop counting down on the old interface
20:04:07 mskwik[Admin]: it's not active yet because when that switches the mutes will stop counting down on the old interface
20:08:17 mskwik[Admin]: your recent history will matter a lot if it gets to the point where you get muted
20:08:47 mskwik[Admin]: the human review shows not just what happened right before the mute but the last
24–36 hours as well
20:09:10 mskwik[Admin]: and that is routinely scanned by the human mods to pick up extra stuff for the bot learning set
20:09:21 Guinevere[PMS]: ok what happens if you have been unmuted because your mute wasnt correct, doesnt that go on your record too?
20:09:57 mskwik[Admin]: yeah, if a mute is corrected it actually shows up as another mute with negative time in the current system
20:08:04 Princess Amber[DARK]: Or being unmuted completely for 6 hours then getting another mute for 20k minutes?
20:08:46 Princess Amber[DARK]: She didn't say anything wrong msk
20:09:34 Princess Amber[DARK]: But there was no justification for her case.
20:10:26 mskwik[Admin]: what mute are we talking about here?
20:10:38 Princess Amber[DARK]: Meanwife had played for 2 days, she posted for another player which many have done before.
20:12:09 mskwik[Admin]: looks like meanwife was warned about spam a couple times for repeatedly copy/pasting stuff out of guild chat
20:12:23 tinytank32[DARK]: she was warned 1 time
20:13:01 mskwik[Admin]: and eventually got muted for it, the mod report has about 50 lines flagged as spam
20:13:21 mskwik[Admin]: mute time was bumped down rather far on human review
20:13:38 Princess Amber[DARK]: Bumped down?
20:13:51 mskwik[Admin]: modinator set it rather high because of the number of lines involved
20:18:34 mskwik[Admin]: spam tends to get large mutes from the modinator if it's stuff being repeated
20:19:26 mskwik[Admin]: mute lengths basically always go through the modinator
20:20:00 mskwik[Admin]: if it goes up after human review it's because the reviewer added extra lines or circumstances to it that caused the bot to recalculate the time
20:21:26 mskwik[Admin]: I am planning on changing the review process around somewhat as well
20:21:50 Genesis![???]: is it possible to get the bot to send us our record msk?
20:22:38 mskwik[Admin]: in the future maybe, at this point it's not in a form that can be shared easily
20:23:54 mskwik[Admin]: the thought is that rather than reviewing every mute when the mods get around to it it won't trigger a review unless the muted person asks for it
20:24:45 mskwik[Admin]: if it's really deserved the time might still go up, but with fewer requests hopefully the mods can get to the mistaken mutes quicker
20:26:47 adnerb[-]: I would love a Just Because Card on the Holiday Post.
20:27:13 mskwik[Admin]: design one and upload it on the image upload page
20:27:38 mskwik[Admin]: just match the image size to the other postcard images and it can be added ;)
20:28:34 mskwik[Admin]:
http://movoda.net/imageupload.html
20:28:54 mskwik[Admin]: think there's a post in forum somewhere with that link
20:34:42 mskwik[Admin]: back to my original point, anything else people would like to see changed on the guild stuff screen?
20:36:08 Revenger [*Crew*]: For new interface msk?
20:36:43 mskwik[Admin]: yeah for NI, think i'm going to put things in tabs similar to the new messages screen
20:36:18 shroggy[Midas]: mskwik, I haven't seen the other suggestions but I'd like to peek in my shops from guild stuff please
20:36:59 Aeval[Apples]: one suggestion would be to see incoming raids but I don't think that would go over well
20:37:07 mskwik[Admin]: not planning on adding more information that can be gotten elsewhere, but should update itself better
20:38:47 Cyrael[*Crew*]: Yes, it's a pain sometimes trying to remember what I need to equip without looking everything up, stats shown in a popup iframe on mouseover would be cool
20:40:39 mskwik[Admin]: you're talking about a mouseover popup in the inventory?
20:40:45 mskwik[Admin]: i would think that would get annoying after a while
20:41:23 Cyrael[*Crew*]: yeah, or something similar.. maybe have a few second delay on it so if you just mouse over and click, it doesn't come up
20:41:52 mskwik[Admin]: with basically a copy of the manual information?
20:42:16 cyclone7624[TEAM]: when can we expect the guild stuff to be completed?
20:43:36 mskwik[Admin]: will work on it tonight, lots of stuff there to test so will be at least tomorrow before pushed public
20:44:09 Caledonia[
Lof L?]: still havent answered my question msk
20:44:41 mskwik[Admin]: sorry caledonia, must have missed it
20:44:13 nasta[Home]: what about the ability to lock out new members and visitor from touching what is our green houses mskwik?
20:44:38 Mandi[
Co M]: that's on the NI nasta...they have permissions there
20:45:19 mskwik[Admin]: yeah, GH permissions are on the NI, those are ready but put off moving them until the permissions for the rest of the buildings get worked out
